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Cruising Has Arrived

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Beginning in April on Celebrity Cruises, Canyon Ranch SpaClub will offer spa, beauty salon, wellness and fitness amenities presenting signature Canyon Ranch offerings. Credit: Celebrity Cruises

Although meetings and incentive programs aboard cruise ships have been popular with many planners and their attendees for more than a decade, since the Great Recession the bottom-line value and other practical benefits of a cruise program have prompted many more planners to take a second look.

As a result, a landmark survey conducted by Site, in cooperation with the Cruise Line Industry Association (CLIA), and released last November, reported that 72.6 percent of respondents said they expected to book a cruise for an IT program over the next three years, while 52.8 percent said they planned to book a business meeting on a cruise ship.

“That report, and the fact that CLIA made a presentation at the last Site annual meeting, really tells you that cruising has arrived as a corporate choice,” says Jo Kling, president of Miami-based Landry & Kling Events at Sea, which specializes in helping meeting planners create cruise programs.

Although cruise ships have traditionally been used more for incentive programs, Kling says, “meetings are coming on strong now. And that has been especially true since the recession.”

The primary reason, Kling says is the bottom-line value.

“Cost is a very important factor for planners now,” she says. “Everybody is paying attention to budgets now. And being able to host a meeting in a way that costs less than most hotels, but actually provides more, is something that is becoming more and more attractive.”

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Las Vegas

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In 2014, the Las Vegas skyline will have a new look when the Linq’s High Roller, the largest observation wheel in the world, opens. Twenty-eight individual pods (inset) will hold 40 passengers each, a unique venue option for planners. Credit: Caesars Entertainment

The city that ruled the roost when it came to meetings and conventions before the Great Recession has successfully defended its title as the undisputed heavyweight champion of meeting destinations. And the essential reasons are remarkably simple, say its longtime meeting planner loyalists.

“Las Vegas is literally designed for meetings and conventions,” says Jodie Cadieux, director of marketing at DNA testing and analytics provider Genelex in Seattle. “And that means it has something for everyone. It’s interesting to me that it has a reputation based on being a gambling destination. But you also have world-class restaurants and entertainment and shopping. I can’t think of any place, except New York City, that has a better entertainment scene in terms of major productions.”

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All You Still Need to Know About RFPs but Were Afraid to Ask

CIT-2014-01Jan-Column2-860x418Lombardo,Terry-TMLServices-147x147Terry Matthews-Lombardo, CMP, is a case study in industry longevity, having held jobs on both the supplier and planner sides since graduating “a very long time ago” with a degree in hotel management. Terry has learned a lot during a lifetime of planning meetings and events in more than 40 countries around the globe, and says that contrary to popular opinion you mostly really do sweat the small stuff in this industry. Working out of Orlando, FL, as an independent trip director, meeting manager and freelance industry writer, she continues to attempt to solve world problems (or at least industry challenges) from one hotel lobby bar to the next. She can be reached at TML Services at tml@cfl.rr.com.

So, you think this topic has already been beaten to death? Well, think again because I’m here to tell you that both planners and suppliers have more to learn on this subject!

A few months ago, I participated as a panelist on a SPIN (Senior Planners Industry Network, www.spinplanners.com) webinar covering this very theme, and even I had some aha! moments (Did I mention before that I’ve got — ahem — 30+ years in this industry? Well there now, I’ve said it).

We mostly (sadly) learned that there are still many planners out there who need some education, or at least a refresher course, as to some important points in the RFP process, and also that suppliers could learn a thing or two by listening (maybe they should be asking us?) to what we want to see coming back from them. Here are some highlights from this panel discussion.

Advice for Planners — From Suppliers

Narrow your search. And stop sending RFPs to 100 properties, when you’re pretty certain that only five will qualify. In other words, do your homework first. This applies even when you’re using a search engine to do the sending. Hotels tell us they are inundated with RFPs, many of which don’t even fit their properties to begin with, so why are you sending it out to so many?

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Go Mobile to Engage Meeting and Event Attendees

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MacGregor,Mary-BIWorldwide-110x140Mary MacGregor joined BI Worldwide (BIW) in January of 2013 as corporate vice president – event solutions. She comes to BIW after serving as the leader of business development, events and marketing for other major third-party organizations. In her current role she is responsible for all operating areas of the BIW Event Solutions Group including purchasing, design, delivery, group air, individual incentive travel, onsite operations, technology, communications and merchandise. She leads a team of more than 175 industry professionals who deliver memorable experiences and measurable results for their customers. In 2011, Mary served as global president of Site (Society of Incentive & Travel Professionals). For more information, visit BIWorldwide.com or contact us at info@biworldwide.com.

It’s no secret that it’s all about mobile in today’s fast-paced, global business environment. According to a survey conducted in June 2013 by Qualcomm:

  • 76 percent of respondents said they are constantly connected to mobile technology.
  • 29 percent said their mobile phone is the first and last thing they look at each day.
  • 37 percent check their mobile device every 30 minutes or less.
  • 34 percent believe they could only go a few hours without their mobile phone.

In a study conducted by Foursights Workforce, global information workers in 17 countries reported that:

  • 52 percent use a combination of three different smart devices — PCs, tablets and smartphones — to do their jobs.
  • Of these, 14 percent actually use six or more devices.
  • 25 percent ONLY use a tablet or smartphone to conduct business and never access a PC or Mac.

IDC Technologies reports that by 2015 it is projected that 81 percent of U.S. cell users will have smartphones, and PC usage will continue to erode.

Mobile Is Mandatory

It only makes sense then that you must communicate with your meeting and event participants in a mobile-friendly environment. While most business professionals still do have computers, they increasingly rely on — and actually prefer — to use mobile devices as their primary form of communication.

Busy businessmen and women need event information they can access in multiple ways: from their home or office computers, tablet devices and smartphones. Having everything needed to get ready for and participate in your event available in a mobile-friendly format is no longer a wish; it is a requirement.

Event attendees do not want to lug a file folder full of itineraries, reservation confirmations, travel instructions and destination maps with them when they travel on increasingly crowded flights. Nor do they want to stuff the requisite three-ring binder, guidebooks and product literature into their carry-ons for the flight home.

Mobile Is the Only Way to Go

All of your important pre-event interactive communication and registration can be easily handled by a well-designed event planner’s mobile-friendly Web-based platform. Good planners also will support onsite communication with a convenient app. A wide range of event planning logistics can be handled efficiently by mobile-friendly platforms. A best-in-class mobile-friendly platform will provide:

  • Cross-platform functionality. It must run on PCs, tablets and smartphones using Windows, Apple and Android operating systems.
  • Communications tools. Participants should be able to find everything they need to know about the event, hotel and host location from their preferred device. A good platform will let you display photos, show video, have a countdown clock and weather widget, and accept links to hotel, airline, destination and other related sites.
  • Social networking. You’ll likely want to use social media sites for some of your event communications and give participants the ability to share the event with their networks.
  • Registration tools. Make sure you can create a registration questionnaire that can be tailored to your specific event requirements. Some platforms have standard templates that don’t necessarily give you flexibility to get the information you need for your event. Other important considerations may be the ability to make roommate assignments, accept credit card payments and pre-load data from previous events.
  • Information exchange. From their preferred device, participants should be able to respond to surveys, respond to requests for information, schedule themselves for meetings, meals and other activities, and ask specific questions of you.
  • Data transfer. If you’ll be distributing content at your event, make sure your participants can download documents in a variety of formats including Word, PowerPoint and PDF. This functionality alone can save you a tremendous amount of money in printing costs and help your conference leave a smaller carbon footprint.
  • Analytics. As you plan your event and later look at post-event numbers, you’ll want to be able to generate reports on attendance, participation, costs and other key metrics. Look for technology that gives you the reporting capabilities you need.

There are many event planning technology platforms and apps to choose from if you are doing everything on your own. A quick Google search or search in your device’s app store will give you many options. If you are working with an event agency, they should have flexible and comprehensive mobile-friendly Web-based platforms and onsite apps available as part of their services to you.

BI Worldwide uses an exclusive EngageNGo™ mobile-friendly Web-based platform for pre-event interaction communications and our Engaging Meetings™ app for onsite communications with our clients to help get maximum impact from their meetings and events.

EngageNGo offers:

  • Mobile-friendly functionality on multiple operating systems and devices;
  • Secure access with single sign-on capabilities;
  • Interactive and dynamic participant communication including video;
  • Customizable registration portal with credit card payment capabilities;
  • Ability to conduct surveys to facilitate event planning;
  • Social-networking interfaces;
  • Reporting and analytics to help with post-event debriefings.

Engaging Meetings provides:

  • Schedule information;
  • Speaker bios;
  • Attendee roster;
  • Sponsor information and links;
  • Event documents (go paperless!);
  • Links to social networks.

It’s certainly an understatement to say that planners have a challenging job meeting attendee expectations in the face of rapidly changing mobile technologies. But the right event technology platform not only will do all the heavy lifting, it will facilitate the optimum outcome for your meetings and events. C&IT

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Motivating Top Performers

Sunset over the Dead Sea, which borders Jordan and Israel: Seacret Direct, which creates products using minerals from the Dead Sea, is planning a trip there this year for company leaders.

Sunset over the Dead Sea, which borders Jordan and Israel: Seacret Direct, which creates products using minerals from the Dead Sea, is planning a trip there this year for company leaders.

As hiring freezes thaw and companies are once again vying to hold on to top performers, incentive programs have become a paramount differentiating factor in a corporate environment where loyalty is more elusive than ever.

According to a study by Towers Watson on global talent management, 59 percent of the organizations surveyed are experiencing problems attracting top performing employees, and 50 percent of companies are having trouble retaining those employees once they’re in the door.

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Content Marketing: Using It Effectively During and After Marketing Events

Jones,Chuck-Omnience-147x147Chuck Jones is the Chief Marketing Officer for Omnience, an Atlanta, GA-based company specializing in technology for maximizing the ROI of marketing events. www.omnienceevents.com

Content marketing is garnering a growing share of the marketing budget — and can make or break another big line item on the budget: a company’s marketing events.

Content marketing is the practice of getting appropriate types and amounts of information to prospective buyers at appropriate times in their decision cycles. The right content gives buyers insights relevant to their business problems and potential solutions. The goal for sellers, of course, is to drive leads, and ultimately sales.

Content marketing should play a pivotal role in maximizing the effectiveness of a company’s marketing events, the most powerful form of, and channel for, content marketing.

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Mobile Meeting Masters

During the 2013 Cisco Live conference, the social media monitoring team was able to instantly respond to attendee questions, as well as deliver real-time attendee feedback to the company’s executives so that changes to meeting content could be made on the fly. Credit: Cisco

During the 2013 Cisco Live conference, the social media monitoring team was able to instantly respond to attendee questions, as well as deliver real-time attendee feedback to the company’s executives so that changes to meeting content could be made on the fly. Credit: Cisco

Over the last year, the progressive use of mobile technology and social media to enhance the quality of meetings has become a cutting-edge best practice. For many companies and their meeting planners, however, the ever-expanding range of new options and often dauntingly complex decision-making process has become as much of a hindrance as it has a potential innovation.

To provide practical examples of the effective use of such capabilities, Corporate & Incentive Travel talked with three practitioners who are setting the standard for attendee engagement and feedback.

CISCO
Leading the Way

Cisco, based in San Jose, CA, is a global technology leader whose meeting-related innovations, such as Telepresence HD videoconferencing, have had a profound impact on the evolution of the industry in recent years. It’s no surprise, then, that Cisco is also a highly innovative creator of mobile technology and social media.

The company has a clear objective in mind when it comes to the increasingly complex deployment of technology, says Kathleen Mudge, who oversees the use of mobile technology and social media to support the company’s major events, such as its annual Cisco Live user conference, which draws 20,000 in-person attendees and generates 135,000 qualified page views of meeting content online.

“You have to make it very easy and simple for people to get quick answers to whatever questions they have about the event, or to communicate messages out to them.”

— Kathleen Mudge, Mobile Technology and Social Media, Manager, Cisco, San Jose, CA

“Everything is based on the event’s goal, on what we’re trying to accomplish with the meeting or event,” Mudge says. “And for us, that is to connect the Cisco brand with our attendees. We have found there is no better way than social media and mobile apps to do that. And that’s largely because people have smartphones with them now at all times, everywhere they go. And that means that what they use to find information is their fingers — from wherever they are, including at a meeting. So we want to make sure we use that knowledge to make the event as enjoyable and productive as we can for our attendees. The way we do that is with mobile apps and social media.”

For Cisco, the key is attention to personal connectivity. For example, some attendees use Facebook as their go-to social media tool, Mudge says. Others use Twitter. Still others use LinkedIn. “So today, you have to make sure you are connected to all of those people by being integrated into the social media tool they prefer to use,” she says. “The basic reality is you have to make it very easy and simple for people to get quick answers to whatever questions they have about the event, or to communicate messages out to them.”

Cisco uses mobile apps and social media to get out all information about its major meeting. However, it also uses such technologies in more sophisticated ways than most other companies.

For example, during Cisco Live, the meeting technology team reports up to executive management the attendee feedback they are getting, such as the hottest sessions or the most common questions or comments about the company. “And if management asks ‘What are people saying about this or that?’ I am able to quickly collect that data and tell them,” Mudge says. “That means that management can get the information it needs to make quick adjustments to the meeting, even if that means changing something for the very next day, such as the content of the CEO’s keynote speech or a breakout session.”

To do all of the things Cisco wants done, Mudge oversees a state-of-the-art technology platform that is grounded in its Active Networks/StarCite meeting management system.

Key additional components include Salesforce.com’s Radian 6 and Cisco’s own SocialMiner to gather information and generate feedback. Of particular significance is the fact that Radian 6 and SocialMiner allow them to set precise parameters of what data they wanted filtered into their overall information stream.

“There is a ton of information out there now around any event, so you have to control what it is you want and what you want to do with it,” Mudge says. “For example, you can call out individual words or phrases that you’re most interested in as a way of monitoring what is going on in conversations. You just have to distill everything down to learn exactly what you want to know.”

Social media also plays a key role in the overall effort. For Cisco Live, the company creates a dedicated Facebook page, and Twitter and LinkedIn accounts.

And last year, the company upped the ante when it comes to social media. “Before, we were just listening to the conversations taking place around the meeting and responding and connecting with attendees,” Mudge says. “But last year, we made a really big change. The social media staff that supports the meeting was increased from three or four people in prior years to 12 people at peak times. And what that enabled us to do was actually create content we could send out during the meeting, as well as monitor and respond to attendee comments and questions even more quickly.”

Given the fact that ongoing communication with and feedback from attendees is among the company’s core goals, the efforts have been a spectacular success, Mudge says. For example, thousands of attendees send out tweets that are often re-tweeted. “In effect, they go viral within the company and that really helps us foster communication around the Cisco Live event,” she says.

Because their technology activity is so comprehensive, Cisco deploys a formal command center at Cisco Live.

And, Mudge says, she does not know of another company, in any industry, that has taken things to the level Cisco has.

“We like to think of ourselves as the gold standard,” she says. “That’s a very big part of the Cisco brand.”

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Teachable Moments

Mattress Firm, based in Houston, TX, is the world’s largest bedding retailer, with about 1,200 stores in the U.S. The company hosts more than 100 meetings each year, many of them training sessions.

For the last 18 months, Cory Ludens, vice president of learning and development, and his dedicated internal technology team, have been looking at and developing social media and mobile technology tools to support their meetings. “We have a relatively young work force,” Ludens says. “And that means they are pretty tech-savvy and friendly. So we began to realize more and more that a way to reach that audience was to utilize some of the tools they were already used to using.”

“Everybody wants to use technology now. And it’s really changing the way business is conducted and meetings are held. And that’s especially true of large events, such as our annual sales conference.”

— Corey Ludens, V.P. Learning and Development, Mattress Firm, Houston, TX

However, he says, he quickly learned that it’s not just millennials who have become enthusiastic adopters of the latest technology. “Everybody has, really — even baby boomers,” Ludens says. “Everybody wants to use technology now. And it’s really changing the way business is conducted and meetings are held. And that’s especially true of large events, such as our annual sales conference.”

After extensive research and investigation, Mattress Firm teamed with San Francisco-based technology provider Taptera to create a customized version of its mobile meeting support platform. They introduced it at this year’s BEDTalks annual sales and leadership conference.

“We utilized the app as a communication vehicle before, during and after the meeting,” Ludens says. “So whereas before, if we had been sending things via email or uploading stuff to a website, whether it’s learning material or one of the talks being given at the conference, or some kind of new procedure we’re putting into place at the event, in the past much of that would just have been distributed via email.”

The Taptera app has also reduced old-school meeting-related costs such as printing. “We have our annual leadership conference coming up in early 2014,” Ludens says. “Based on our experience with the app at this year’s meeting (2013), we made the strategic decision to not print attendee workbooks any more. In fact, we’re not printing anything anymore for attendees to use onsite at our event. Everything is now being done within the app.”

That will save more than $20,000 at the 2014 conference, money that will be reinvested into things that make the meeting better, without increasing its total budget.

Ludens also integrated an innovative social media platform called Chatter, from Salesforce.com, into the Taptera app. “Out of the box, the app did not have an integration with Chatter, so we made the business case for doing that,” Ludens says. “And then we worked with Taptera to have them build in connectivity with Chatter. And then one thing we saw right away was attendees using Chatter, within the Taptera app, to take notes during the meeting.”

The app also allows attendees to directly link their Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn accounts to connect with each other. “And that’s one of the things from my perspective, as the planner of a growing event, that is most important,” Ludens says. “We had fewer than 200 attendees at our annual conference three years ago. But our company is growing very, very rapidly. That meant that this year we had more than 650 attendees. So there are a lot of people now coming to this meeting who are new to the company, and they don’t know a lot of our other people from around the country. The tool helps us get people to know each other and connect.”

Ludens and his team have further improved their app by integrating with the information aggregation and distribution platform pioneered by Box.com. “We wanted to start using Box as a distribution point for content, background materials and so on,” Ludens says. “So we also used the Taptera app to introduce Box to the rest of the company.”

That capability also helps support the event down the road. As a matter of course, for some time Mattress Firm has repackaged and distributed all of the basic content and support materials from their conference after the event and distributed it to attendees as a way of reinforcing the educational aspect of the meeting. That includes PowerPoint presentations and videos.

“The challenge to doing that, in the past, was that it took us a few weeks to get all of that stuff together and distributed,” Ludens says. “And that meant people would start to say, ‘Well the meeting was four weeks ago and I still don’t have the stuff from the meeting. I want it now.’ So this year, we loaded everything on to Box.com and then used the Taptera app to drive attendees to Box to get it. And that meant they had it immediately.”

And in turn, Ludens says, that broader, more sophisticated, capability helps its 350 field leaders do a better job of training throughout the year.

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Smartphone as Meeting Hub

Sonic Drive-In, headquartered in Oklahoma City, has 3,500 franchisee-owned fast food restaurants in 44 states. Its annual sales conference, held each September to kick off the company’s new fiscal year, draws 2,500 owner-operator attendees.

By attending meetings hosted by other organizations, Christi Wood­worth, veteran meeting planner turned director of digital communication and social media, learned that the capability existed to post an entire meeting agenda, and all related communication and attendee feedback to a smartphone. “We wanted to bring that capability to our own meeting, because we typically have three or four concurrent breakout sessions going on at any given time,” Woodworth says. “So we wanted to better understand, on the front end, before attendees even arrived for the meeting, what sessions they found most interesting and which ones they intended to attend.”

“We wanted to better understand, on the front end, before attendees even arrived for the meeting, what sessions they found most interesting and which ones they intended to attend.”

— Christi Woodworth, Director, Digital Communications and Social Media, Sonic Drive-In, Oklahoma City, OK

The capability also has helped the meeting planning team do a better job of creating sessions and content that is perceived as being worthwhile. In the past, meeting planners and hosts essentially imposed on attendees whatever they believed to be most important, Woodworth notes. Today, the process is increasingly being democratized by interactivity and feedback — a trend that translates into more successful meetings and an enhanced planning process.

To help develop the capabilities the company wanted, Sonic Drive-In relied on BCD M&I, which has been their meeting management company for the past 11 years, to advise them on mobile technology options. For their 2011 and 2012 annual franchisee conventions, the company used the Zerista mobile platform. This year, they switched to QuickMobile, which bills itself as “the complete, paperless event guide.”

“Zerista was a good introduction for us into mobile apps for the first couple of years,” Woodworth says. “But for this year, and going forward, we used QuickMobile because of its additional capabilities, such as so-called ‘gamification.’ ” That means the ability to integrate with tools such as FourSquare or even Facebook by engaging attendees in game-related content that will ultimately offer them the chance to win rewards. “We give away prizes on the last day of the meeting,” Woodworth explains. “And one of the ways to become eligible for the grand prize is to play one of our games. For example, we’ve taken things like scavenger hunts and turned them into virtual games through the mobile app. And in turn, that has helped us do things like track traffic to specific vendor booths or how many came into a general session.”

Attendee engagement via QuickMo­bile and its gamification capabilities has meant that Sonic Drive-In can promote certain sessions they deem most important by giving them more weight in the gaming process. “We give people incentives via the games to motivate them to do what we’re most interested in having them do, such as attend a particular session,” Woodworth says.

She predicts that such gamification of corporate meetings will increase. “People already use their smartphones to play games all the time,” she says. “So why not add a level of game playing to a meeting or event that is supposed to be fun for attendees anyway? That just adds another element of fun to the event.”

Even more important than gamification, however, is the app’s ability to deliver a comprehensive and up-to-the-minute meeting agenda on a smartphone.

“Our franchisees love the fact they can just look at their smartphone and know where the next session is they want to attend,” Woodworth says. “They don’t have to look around for some printed agenda or booklet. And we don’t have to spend the money anymore to print those things.”

Another key benefit of the Quick­Mobile platform: It has allowed for better attendee-exhibitor engagement. “It makes it easier for attendees to find exhibitors and to set up appointments,” Woodworth says. “So since we do a trade show as part of our event, that was very popular with both exhibitors and attendees. It also allowed us to create more sponsorship opportunities.”

In the future, Woodworth thinks mobile technology will have more and more impact on the planning of meetings and the attendee experience. “Right now, I’d say the technology is still in its infancy,” she says. “I don’t think many people would say it’s mature. So that just means it’s going to get better and better going forward, because planners will be able to do more and more things that have a positive impact on the outcome of the meeting.” C&IT

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The Caribbean & The Bahamas

Guests of Horizon Yacht USA enjoy a sun-filled day onboard a Horizon yacht during an incentive program in the Bahamas. Credit: Horizon Yacht USA

Guests of Horizon Yacht USA enjoy a sun-filled day onboard a Horizon yacht during an incentive program in the Bahamas. Credit: Horizon Yacht USA

Whoever said that all “sun and sand” destinations are the same surely is not familiar with the variety of distinct islands of the Caribbean and the Bahamas — one of the world’s most popular incentive destinations. While there are some similarities, each island within this region offers unique cultures, landscapes and venues. Each island also has its own collection of resorts and hotels and seeks to further set itself apart by improving existing properties and adding new ones.

Meetings Industry Outlook 2014

CIT-2013-12Dec-Outlook2014-860x418For the first time in five years , professional meeting planners are generally optimistic that the industry is once again healthy , and that although it might never return to the  free-spending days before the recession, the dark clouds that once loomed over it are gone. But just as the overall 2014 meetings industry outlook is positive, there are serious concerns, too, most of them related to rising costs that must be reconciled against budgets that are not  growing.

Kati Quigley, CMP, senior director of worldwide partner community marketing at Microsoft in Redmond, WA, is optimistic that 2014 will be another year of recovery and growth for the meeting industry. “I think there is generally a very positive outlook overall,” says Quigley, who plans Microsoft’s major user conferences and customer events. “I’m hearing more optimism, not just from planners, but also from supplier partners.”

Gia Staley, CMP, manager, meetings and events, at Fort Worth, TX-based Smith & Nephew (Biotherapeutics), which holds about 50 meetings a year, shares Quigley’s optimism. “From a corporate standpoint, we’re as busy, if not busier, than we were last year,” Staley says. “We’re growing, and we have new products that we’re launching. And our field sales group is expanding. As a result of that, we’re having more meetings. And that includes more training meetings. We invest heavily in our salesforce, which has increased by 50 percent.”

Global Meetings: What’s Trending

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As part of her role as event specialist for the Alerton and Trend divisions of Honeywell, Lacey Hein plans many international events. “We’ve done a couple of our conferences on the Trend channel overseas, mostly in England,” she explains, “because our parent company is there. But incentives are mostly what we’ve been doing internationally because it’s a little bit more special. It feels like you’re getting something more.”

She described one trend that is impacting her planning. “Lead times are getting longer as things are rebounding. Rates are going up, and they’re starting to sell out more, so it’s definitely something that we’re paying attention to. (Previously) we’ve been planning six to nine months out, and now we’re trying to get our 2015 lined up. We’re really planning a year and a half and maybe two years out.”